tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post440234618653427188..comments2024-01-30T19:47:17.119+00:00Comments on URBANarmy: the language of ordination...Gordonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06923211288631648610noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-54393671989010027292008-07-24T19:31:00.000+00:002008-07-24T19:31:00.000+00:00HH's book is sitting on my desk and there is a who...HH's book is sitting on my desk and there is a whole chapter on ordinationGordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06923211288631648610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-36656371282969777902008-07-20T09:56:00.000+00:002008-07-20T09:56:00.000+00:00Has any one read Harold Hill's book? Leadership in...Has any one read Harold Hill's book?<BR/> <BR/>Leadership in the Salvation Army: a case study in clericalisation. Paternoster, Bletchley, Milton Keynes, 2006 <BR/><BR/>Does it have anything to offer on this subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-6813407796267220772008-07-19T08:30:00.000+00:002008-07-19T08:30:00.000+00:00Just came across your post. I had exactly the same...Just came across your post. I had exactly the same feelings this year at commissioning. The whole ordination thing was far more in 'your face' this year than ever before. I couldn't believe it when I read in the programme introduction (I can't remember the exact words) but something like commissioning is an outward sign sign of an inward call. This is taking the very language of sacrament!<BR/><Nick Cokehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08970942834901802318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-24059203603076599952008-07-15T22:33:00.000+00:002008-07-15T22:33:00.000+00:00In what is a bit of an aside, and demonstrates my ...In what is a bit of an aside, and demonstrates my rubbish sense of humour, I found it amusing when Norman Ord spoke about ordination. Sounded like some kind of weird process by which the 'Ordained' person becomes adopted as a member of Norman's family.<BR/><BR/>Like I say, my humour ain't that great.Chris Hewardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17821822707932676551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-69815704930636424212008-07-15T22:05:00.000+00:002008-07-15T22:05:00.000+00:00There is something awesome and complete about the ...There is something awesome and complete about the original expression, "the priesthood of all believers." There can be no real substitute however elaborate. Yet, an interpretive clause can be of value. "The priesthood of all believers is a shared ministry of communal prayer, proclamation, and service in Christ's name, bestowed on all faithful followers by the grace of God." God’s calling Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-34859336434637142252008-07-15T20:41:00.000+00:002008-07-15T20:41:00.000+00:00Graeme,You might be right about Needham's book. I...Graeme,<BR/><BR/>You might be right about Needham's book. I should go back and give it another go - I couldn't engage with it so much a few years ago.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the use of the word 'ordained' in the commissioning ceremony, this is a fairly new practice, right? What does that mean for the active officers commissioned prior to this addition?Cosmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333341186856092779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-77247808089574713482008-07-15T18:55:00.000+00:002008-07-15T18:55:00.000+00:00BTW Cosmo, I actually think that Phil Needham's 'C...BTW Cosmo, I actually think that Phil Needham's 'Community in Mission' is as relevant today as 21 years ago. The basic tenets are timeless; its simply about putting them into practice in a way that speaks to our current world!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-18046970229487756292008-07-15T18:51:00.000+00:002008-07-15T18:51:00.000+00:00It could be a dangerous thing to admit for a candi...It could be a dangerous thing to admit for a candidate/soon-to-be-cadet to admit, but I struggle with the whole ordination term within The Salvation Army. The term ordination has a clear history behind it and is about the setting apart of a religious priesthood who then perform religious rites that have a sacramental significance.<BR/><BR/>I am uncomfortable with this and feel that the term is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-49864822035945726722008-07-15T18:16:00.000+00:002008-07-15T18:16:00.000+00:00I remember Commissioner Gaither at our commissioni...I remember Commissioner Gaither at our commissioning saying "recognizing that God has ordained you, I now commission you...." which to my mind is much more like what is going on. Otherwise officership becomes a weird thing and starts making some more ordained to serve God than others which I hope we want to step well away from saying.<BR/><BR/>ACCaptain Andrew Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08724510576835138268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-49367374822151078592008-07-14T23:31:00.000+00:002008-07-14T23:31:00.000+00:00I think it's been said previously that maybe it is...I think it's been said previously that maybe it is time for writing another book exploring salvationist ecclesiology for the 21st century.<BR/><BR/>Shaw Clifton has just put out a book regarding the SA and Church, but I think it is more in the line of affirming our place within the wider body. It would be interesting (if somewhat navel gazing) to read a book that wrestles with the multiple Cosmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333341186856092779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6145971.post-74396130270897297612008-07-14T21:37:00.000+00:002008-07-14T21:37:00.000+00:00and marriage, as well, is a sacrament ... it's har...and marriage, as well, is a sacrament ... it's hard to be distintive without being difficult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com